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		<title>By: LONER</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/08/racism-under-the-guise-of-nationalism/comment-page-1/#comment-803</link>
		<dc:creator>LONER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly heed Tan Sm&#039;s view in the response above. Singapore and nationalism, what is nationalistic pride, i have studied abroad and it sometimes feels like a , one is asking you, not who you are but usually where do you come from.

Now the point in motion here is what are our nationalistic pride and value systems? Nasi Ayam? Chicken rice or Fried Rice paradise? Or is it a 4 way language system? Nationalism prides on more of any majority in a country and we are just the same as being marginalized in everyway. Racialised because we are of a different tone or color from the majority. This is inherent in our system. We have a social disease of racisim embedded in us from the time we are born here in Singapore.

I feel that Singapore being what it is today shall never change, because from time immemorial, this was and always has been a re occuring problem, &quot;race&quot;. Experts have never till now understood what it really means. We are all still made of the same body parts and the color of all of blood, remain the same. But the indifference is something exterior and mind boggling to comprehend.

I am driving at the employment opportunities one gets as a minority, in Singapore. It sometimes shows what local companies want- &quot;mandarin Speaking candidates&quot;, or lack of representation of minorities in Government because we are equal?

Well , seriously Singapore is where is was born, but feeling second class here has already become a norm..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly heed Tan Sm&#8217;s view in the response above. Singapore and nationalism, what is nationalistic pride, i have studied abroad and it sometimes feels like a , one is asking you, not who you are but usually where do you come from.</p>
<p>Now the point in motion here is what are our nationalistic pride and value systems? Nasi Ayam? Chicken rice or Fried Rice paradise? Or is it a 4 way language system? Nationalism prides on more of any majority in a country and we are just the same as being marginalized in everyway. Racialised because we are of a different tone or color from the majority. This is inherent in our system. We have a social disease of racisim embedded in us from the time we are born here in Singapore.</p>
<p>I feel that Singapore being what it is today shall never change, because from time immemorial, this was and always has been a re occuring problem, &#8220;race&#8221;. Experts have never till now understood what it really means. We are all still made of the same body parts and the color of all of blood, remain the same. But the indifference is something exterior and mind boggling to comprehend.</p>
<p>I am driving at the employment opportunities one gets as a minority, in Singapore. It sometimes shows what local companies want- &#8220;mandarin Speaking candidates&#8221;, or lack of representation of minorities in Government because we are equal?</p>
<p>Well , seriously Singapore is where is was born, but feeling second class here has already become a norm..</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/08/racism-under-the-guise-of-nationalism/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shereen,
I think the Union itself will depend on economic conditions and fiscal policy as well as how the government tackles its own MPs. If the deplorable employment situation persists, and more financial/political scandals (i.e. RBS and MPs&#039; allowance) continue, plus a government that&#039;s seen as weak, directionless and ineffective stays in power, than maybe there will be more strident calls for independance amongst the others like Scotland, with people questioning why they need the 59 in Commons in the first place. The current leadership squabbles in the UK is in a way helping the cause of the SNP, and the 2010 referendum dateline is significant if the current political situation persists. Lord Medelssohn today also just announced that he&#039;s not running for the leadership of the labour party, and that&#039;s a telling sign as to the utter demise of labour, and the sorry state of the UK government right now. I think whoever takes charge will eventually have to gather the nation together, turn the economy and jobs situation around, rein in discordant MPs, and make everyone feel they have something to gain by sticking together while putting off any notions of independance, or today its the Polish plumber who&#039;s leaving, tomorrow it will be Scotland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shereen,<br />
I think the Union itself will depend on economic conditions and fiscal policy as well as how the government tackles its own MPs. If the deplorable employment situation persists, and more financial/political scandals (i.e. RBS and MPs&#8217; allowance) continue, plus a government that&#8217;s seen as weak, directionless and ineffective stays in power, than maybe there will be more strident calls for independance amongst the others like Scotland, with people questioning why they need the 59 in Commons in the first place. The current leadership squabbles in the UK is in a way helping the cause of the SNP, and the 2010 referendum dateline is significant if the current political situation persists. Lord Medelssohn today also just announced that he&#8217;s not running for the leadership of the labour party, and that&#8217;s a telling sign as to the utter demise of labour, and the sorry state of the UK government right now. I think whoever takes charge will eventually have to gather the nation together, turn the economy and jobs situation around, rein in discordant MPs, and make everyone feel they have something to gain by sticking together while putting off any notions of independance, or today its the Polish plumber who&#8217;s leaving, tomorrow it will be Scotland.</p>
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		<title>By: Shereen Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/08/racism-under-the-guise-of-nationalism/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Shereen Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI TC,

You&#039;re definitely right about David C - I think the Conservatives will definitely take over next...unless of course Labour pulls a magic trick and manage to hold on. I do think that when that happens the dynamics in the UK will change specifically on the issue of devolution as we&#039;ll have a situation where the parties in power at the Assembly will be different than those in Westiminster.

I have to admit that I have a vested interest in this issue as I&#039;m part of a committee set up by the Welsh Assembly Government tasked with preparing a report on the issue of primary-law making powers for Wales. 

I&#039;ve been lucky to be given a chance to travel to various places across Wales to talk to the people here about how they feel about a change in governing style. 

Just out of curiosity, do you think the Union will live on or do you think countries such as Scotland will start demanding independance causing the break-up of the UK?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI TC,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re definitely right about David C &#8211; I think the Conservatives will definitely take over next&#8230;unless of course Labour pulls a magic trick and manage to hold on. I do think that when that happens the dynamics in the UK will change specifically on the issue of devolution as we&#8217;ll have a situation where the parties in power at the Assembly will be different than those in Westiminster.</p>
<p>I have to admit that I have a vested interest in this issue as I&#8217;m part of a committee set up by the Welsh Assembly Government tasked with preparing a report on the issue of primary-law making powers for Wales. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been lucky to be given a chance to travel to various places across Wales to talk to the people here about how they feel about a change in governing style. </p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, do you think the Union will live on or do you think countries such as Scotland will start demanding independance causing the break-up of the UK?</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/08/racism-under-the-guise-of-nationalism/comment-page-1/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Luddite.  Just wondering whether you&#039;re talking about Singaporean insularity in general, or racial insularity specifically.  Seems like the former, but just making sure.

On your point about not talking to our neighbours, though, it is really up to us, isn&#039;t it?  If we ourselves don&#039;t make the effort to talk to our neighbours, then we can&#039;t really bemoan the fact that other Singaporeans don&#039;t either.

And I&#039;m not trying to be all high-and-mighty or whatever.  I&#039;m equally guilty of that seeing as I don&#039;t really talk to my neighbours much either.  So maybe we should both start?  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Luddite.  Just wondering whether you&#8217;re talking about Singaporean insularity in general, or racial insularity specifically.  Seems like the former, but just making sure.</p>
<p>On your point about not talking to our neighbours, though, it is really up to us, isn&#8217;t it?  If we ourselves don&#8217;t make the effort to talk to our neighbours, then we can&#8217;t really bemoan the fact that other Singaporeans don&#8217;t either.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not trying to be all high-and-mighty or whatever.  I&#8217;m equally guilty of that seeing as I don&#8217;t really talk to my neighbours much either.  So maybe we should both start?  <img src='http://www.p65.sg/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/08/racism-under-the-guise-of-nationalism/comment-page-1/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shereen, thanks for the reply. The BNP is STILL a fringe party since being a member of it will get you fired from most public and commercial jobs, and all the skynews talk of &quot;access to funds&quot; is nothing compared to what the tories and labour gets anyway. As for &quot;white ghettos&quot;, I myself won&#039;t use that term, and in any event, I don&#039;t see color in everything, and I am pretty sure quite a few problems will disappear when David Cameron is PM next year :))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shereen, thanks for the reply. The BNP is STILL a fringe party since being a member of it will get you fired from most public and commercial jobs, and all the skynews talk of &#8220;access to funds&#8221; is nothing compared to what the tories and labour gets anyway. As for &#8220;white ghettos&#8221;, I myself won&#8217;t use that term, and in any event, I don&#8217;t see color in everything, and I am pretty sure quite a few problems will disappear when David Cameron is PM next year <img src='http://www.p65.sg/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Luddite</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/08/racism-under-the-guise-of-nationalism/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Luddite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What national identity and belonging are we talking about when even our closest neighbours are complete strangers to us? A Chinese teacher once said Singaporeans are all ‘bird people’ and we thought he was using bad words. Yet, what he meant was that we lock ourselves up behind our steel gates, like little birds in their cages when we get home.

Is it not true we mostly don’t even talk to our neighbours? Some of us may pride ourselves of having Malay friends but we hardly speak to our Malay neighbours. Is it a surprise why the Kampong Spirit in Singapore is dead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What national identity and belonging are we talking about when even our closest neighbours are complete strangers to us? A Chinese teacher once said Singaporeans are all ‘bird people’ and we thought he was using bad words. Yet, what he meant was that we lock ourselves up behind our steel gates, like little birds in their cages when we get home.</p>
<p>Is it not true we mostly don’t even talk to our neighbours? Some of us may pride ourselves of having Malay friends but we hardly speak to our Malay neighbours. Is it a surprise why the Kampong Spirit in Singapore is dead?</p>
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		<title>By: Shereen Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/08/racism-under-the-guise-of-nationalism/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Shereen Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone,
thank you for your comments on my entry. I blogged about the UK because I live here and will probably be here for the foreseeable future - what I write about is based on the experience I&#039;ve had as a resident here. 
Whilst Nick Griffin and his party may not be well-liked here they did get enough votes to have 2 MEP&#039;s and polled nearly a million votes across the UK. It means access to financial resources for leaflets, better web-presence etc. They are no longer some loony party that sits at the fringe. 
The social problems attributed to &#039;immigrant enclaves&#039; are also present in what you might describe as &#039;white ghettos&#039;.

I also wanted to add...if you thought the race-monitoring forms in Singapore are a hassle....you should see the options I&#039;m faced with over here :)

I kept ticking the Asian box because I assumed being from Asia that made me Asian - until my husband pointed out that Asian in UK means those from the indian-sub-continets...

So now if they have a completely seperate Others box I tick that and write in Malay....or when that&#039;s not available I tick the Chinese Category - but under Other Chinese....

you should see the looks I&#039;ve gotten because I do look more Indian than Chinese LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone,<br />
thank you for your comments on my entry. I blogged about the UK because I live here and will probably be here for the foreseeable future &#8211; what I write about is based on the experience I&#8217;ve had as a resident here.<br />
Whilst Nick Griffin and his party may not be well-liked here they did get enough votes to have 2 MEP&#8217;s and polled nearly a million votes across the UK. It means access to financial resources for leaflets, better web-presence etc. They are no longer some loony party that sits at the fringe.<br />
The social problems attributed to &#8216;immigrant enclaves&#8217; are also present in what you might describe as &#8216;white ghettos&#8217;.</p>
<p>I also wanted to add&#8230;if you thought the race-monitoring forms in Singapore are a hassle&#8230;.you should see the options I&#8217;m faced with over here <img src='http://www.p65.sg/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I kept ticking the Asian box because I assumed being from Asia that made me Asian &#8211; until my husband pointed out that Asian in UK means those from the indian-sub-continets&#8230;</p>
<p>So now if they have a completely seperate Others box I tick that and write in Malay&#8230;.or when that&#8217;s not available I tick the Chinese Category &#8211; but under Other Chinese&#8230;.</p>
<p>you should see the looks I&#8217;ve gotten because I do look more Indian than Chinese LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/08/racism-under-the-guise-of-nationalism/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when I was younger, around my mid-20s I think, whenever I had to fill out a form that asked me for my race, I&#039;d insist on writing &quot;Human&quot;.  Heh.  :P

I&#039;ve since stopped doing that, though I do still long for that day when we no longer ask people for their race or are even mindful of it.  Unfortunately, I doubt I&#039;ll get to see it in my lifetime.  :(

Having said that, though, I do believe that we&#039;re more fortunate than quite a number of other countries in terms of racism.  Sure, racial differences still exist and are in fact very deeply rooted in our culture and society.  But I think where we&#039;re not so bad is that even while many people might practise racism to varying degrees in their personal lives in reality, most people are very conscious that they SHOULD NOT be racist.

For that, I think that a great deal of credit must go to the schools, which, as microcosms of society, yet with teachers who constantly drum into the students&#039; heads that they should not discriminate against others based on their race, have allowed most members of Singapore society to be exposed to a semi-working, halfway-decent, tolerant/harmonious multi-racial environment.

Indeed, I believe that for many young adults today, how things were like back when we were in school serves as some sort of a model of how we should treat other races in our adult interactions now.

Do we have a long way to go still?  Of course we do.  And so do all other countries, I believe.  But are we on the path towards getting there?  I think more or less we are.  And that, I feel, is the important thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when I was younger, around my mid-20s I think, whenever I had to fill out a form that asked me for my race, I&#8217;d insist on writing &#8220;Human&#8221;.  Heh.  <img src='http://www.p65.sg/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve since stopped doing that, though I do still long for that day when we no longer ask people for their race or are even mindful of it.  Unfortunately, I doubt I&#8217;ll get to see it in my lifetime.  <img src='http://www.p65.sg/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Having said that, though, I do believe that we&#8217;re more fortunate than quite a number of other countries in terms of racism.  Sure, racial differences still exist and are in fact very deeply rooted in our culture and society.  But I think where we&#8217;re not so bad is that even while many people might practise racism to varying degrees in their personal lives in reality, most people are very conscious that they SHOULD NOT be racist.</p>
<p>For that, I think that a great deal of credit must go to the schools, which, as microcosms of society, yet with teachers who constantly drum into the students&#8217; heads that they should not discriminate against others based on their race, have allowed most members of Singapore society to be exposed to a semi-working, halfway-decent, tolerant/harmonious multi-racial environment.</p>
<p>Indeed, I believe that for many young adults today, how things were like back when we were in school serves as some sort of a model of how we should treat other races in our adult interactions now.</p>
<p>Do we have a long way to go still?  Of course we do.  And so do all other countries, I believe.  But are we on the path towards getting there?  I think more or less we are.  And that, I feel, is the important thing.</p>
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		<title>By: OtherSGcynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>OtherSGcynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its about time this generation decided to outgrow the archaic views of our forefathers and undo the shackles of a very particular politicized conception of our history. Our predecessors reacted to very particular geopolitics of the time - it seems that this generation of Singaporeans have inherited the old solutions for a new world, but not the spirit that created them. This is a brave new world people - time to stop driving your car using the rear view mirror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its about time this generation decided to outgrow the archaic views of our forefathers and undo the shackles of a very particular politicized conception of our history. Our predecessors reacted to very particular geopolitics of the time &#8211; it seems that this generation of Singaporeans have inherited the old solutions for a new world, but not the spirit that created them. This is a brave new world people &#8211; time to stop driving your car using the rear view mirror.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis de Tocqueville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexis de Tocqueville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if Singapore is not racist...Plllllllllllease. You are one of the most racist nation on earth. Ridiculous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if Singapore is not racist&#8230;Plllllllllllease. You are one of the most racist nation on earth. Ridiculous!</p>
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