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		<title>By: The Pigs</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/12/singaporeans-and-apathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1669</link>
		<dc:creator>The Pigs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 06:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on! 

During my secondary studies, my views could be expressed only if the teacher picked me during class lessons. Those that raise their views without permission were considered rude and were punished. This is the somewhat similar to PAP in the days of Francis Seow. Ministers were merely &quot;yes men.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on! </p>
<p>During my secondary studies, my views could be expressed only if the teacher picked me during class lessons. Those that raise their views without permission were considered rude and were punished. This is the somewhat similar to PAP in the days of Francis Seow. Ministers were merely &#8220;yes men.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: pingpong</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/12/singaporeans-and-apathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1495</link>
		<dc:creator>pingpong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing about having a political opinion in Singapore is that every criticism about policy becomes a crticism of the nation itself and construed as some sort of seditious opinion that undermines national interest. For example in Australia it would be a critcism of a policy under say the Rudd govt etc. Whereas in Singapore the ruling party is seen as being synonymous with govt. Something like an absolute monarchy of sorts. It&#039;s frustrating for those who are genuinely concerned about the national interest. 

If there is no public debate ( that is unfettered) then the line between political interests and national interest can be blurred. 

btw only just discovered this blog, very interesting posts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing about having a political opinion in Singapore is that every criticism about policy becomes a crticism of the nation itself and construed as some sort of seditious opinion that undermines national interest. For example in Australia it would be a critcism of a policy under say the Rudd govt etc. Whereas in Singapore the ruling party is seen as being synonymous with govt. Something like an absolute monarchy of sorts. It&#8217;s frustrating for those who are genuinely concerned about the national interest. </p>
<p>If there is no public debate ( that is unfettered) then the line between political interests and national interest can be blurred. </p>
<p>btw only just discovered this blog, very interesting posts</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Leong</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/12/singaporeans-and-apathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard Leong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahahh Geez To PAP and gerrymandering. Man ! As I said b4 and I say it to you too. I pointed it out cos Alex said it himself of leaving Singapore if PAP still wins the next one by 2012. Got guts , then retract the statement and prepare to dig in and fight it out for the long haul. 
Personally, I am politically neutral for the sake of my ongoing research on politics. open to receiving views from all parties. If I conclude at the end of my 10 year research study that PAP is really crap and opposition is better - provided that I really think Singapore worth it for me , I will officially support and fight harder than Alex. That&#039;s my word for u. Vice versa for PAP. 
I am a swing voter for now, can be loyal and disloyal . Only when I am fully convinced that it is worth fighting for , I will go   all the way even if it takes my whole life for it. I would still have no regrets. Happy CNY ! Cheers !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahh Geez To PAP and gerrymandering. Man ! As I said b4 and I say it to you too. I pointed it out cos Alex said it himself of leaving Singapore if PAP still wins the next one by 2012. Got guts , then retract the statement and prepare to dig in and fight it out for the long haul.<br />
Personally, I am politically neutral for the sake of my ongoing research on politics. open to receiving views from all parties. If I conclude at the end of my 10 year research study that PAP is really crap and opposition is better &#8211; provided that I really think Singapore worth it for me , I will officially support and fight harder than Alex. That&#8217;s my word for u. Vice versa for PAP.<br />
I am a swing voter for now, can be loyal and disloyal . Only when I am fully convinced that it is worth fighting for , I will go   all the way even if it takes my whole life for it. I would still have no regrets. Happy CNY ! Cheers !</p>
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		<title>By: Khartini Khalid</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/12/singaporeans-and-apathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1230</link>
		<dc:creator>Khartini Khalid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Singaporean: All the best!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Singaporean: All the best!</p>
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		<title>By: Singaporean</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/12/singaporeans-and-apathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator>Singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo above - &quot;2/3 majority&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo above &#8211; &#8220;2/3 majority&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Singaporean</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/12/singaporeans-and-apathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1228</link>
		<dc:creator>Singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To use the Malaysian example you cited:

The ONLY REASON why UMNO is trying to &quot;buck up&quot; is precisely due to the electorate voting in the opposition to deny the ruling party 1/3 majority.

Malaysians are not stupid. They do not expect their lives to be improved overnight by voting in the Opposition.

Hopefully enough Singaporeans can see the light - the only way to make the ruling party listen to the cries of the people is to vote in the Opposition in sufficient numbers to make it count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To use the Malaysian example you cited:</p>
<p>The ONLY REASON why UMNO is trying to &#8220;buck up&#8221; is precisely due to the electorate voting in the opposition to deny the ruling party 1/3 majority.</p>
<p>Malaysians are not stupid. They do not expect their lives to be improved overnight by voting in the Opposition.</p>
<p>Hopefully enough Singaporeans can see the light &#8211; the only way to make the ruling party listen to the cries of the people is to vote in the Opposition in sufficient numbers to make it count.</p>
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		<title>By: Singaporean</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/12/singaporeans-and-apathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator>Singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can I &quot;evaluate&quot; the merits of the Opposition if I do not vote them into parliament and assess their performance ?

How can the Opposition &quot;put forward viable alternatives&quot; if we do not let them grow to form an alternative government ? Instead the incumbent thinks of ways to &quot;fix&quot; them.

Isn&#039;t voting for the PAP based on past performance not another form of &quot;blind faith&quot; ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can I &#8220;evaluate&#8221; the merits of the Opposition if I do not vote them into parliament and assess their performance ?</p>
<p>How can the Opposition &#8220;put forward viable alternatives&#8221; if we do not let them grow to form an alternative government ? Instead the incumbent thinks of ways to &#8220;fix&#8221; them.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t voting for the PAP based on past performance not another form of &#8220;blind faith&#8221; ?</p>
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		<title>By: Singaporean</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/12/singaporeans-and-apathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>Singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to vote for the Opposition not out of &quot;blind faith&quot; as you wrongly assumed.

I am doing it because I am experiencing a &quot;dose of incompetent government&quot;.

That&#039;s what woke me from &quot;apathy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to vote for the Opposition not out of &#8220;blind faith&#8221; as you wrongly assumed.</p>
<p>I am doing it because I am experiencing a &#8220;dose of incompetent government&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what woke me from &#8220;apathy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Khartini Khalid</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/12/singaporeans-and-apathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1218</link>
		<dc:creator>Khartini Khalid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not against the idea of having opposition parties. But it would be good if the opposition could put forward some viable alternatives and not just oppose for opposing sake or engage in mere rhetoric. All I am saying is merely voting for an opposition (any opposition) without careful evaluation doesn&#039;t indicate having &quot;woken up from apathy&quot; just like not-caring about what the PAP is doing is also the same thing (read my article above lah, don&#039;t just attack me based on piecemeal matters).

So, Simplicity, to use your analogy, from my POV its OK to turn to another salesman to see what there is but just make sure one is not choosing the other salesman without careful consideration of what there is as an alternative product. If there is a good alternative product, fine. If not - then well.....Having a good sales pitch without a good actual alternative may not result in a happier customer. One example is Malaysia. It certainly is a more politically exciting and diverse place now but I just wish Anwar &amp; the gang have more to offer than just good speeches and political rhetoric. UMNO needs to buck up but I haven&#039;t seen the lives of people in the states that chose the opposition as having changed for the better due to the change in party. Once you choose something then you will have to live with the consequences. And in some sales, the sales pitch and product look good now but the after-sales service doesn&#039;t work out well, and the product starts to crumble (can go both ways, opposition &amp; ruling party).

As for others who are just venting, well, have fun in your monologues. If you are unable to participate meaningfully in this discussion, I do not have to engage you (as I have said to someone else before).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not against the idea of having opposition parties. But it would be good if the opposition could put forward some viable alternatives and not just oppose for opposing sake or engage in mere rhetoric. All I am saying is merely voting for an opposition (any opposition) without careful evaluation doesn&#8217;t indicate having &#8220;woken up from apathy&#8221; just like not-caring about what the PAP is doing is also the same thing (read my article above lah, don&#8217;t just attack me based on piecemeal matters).</p>
<p>So, Simplicity, to use your analogy, from my POV its OK to turn to another salesman to see what there is but just make sure one is not choosing the other salesman without careful consideration of what there is as an alternative product. If there is a good alternative product, fine. If not &#8211; then well&#8230;..Having a good sales pitch without a good actual alternative may not result in a happier customer. One example is Malaysia. It certainly is a more politically exciting and diverse place now but I just wish Anwar &amp; the gang have more to offer than just good speeches and political rhetoric. UMNO needs to buck up but I haven&#8217;t seen the lives of people in the states that chose the opposition as having changed for the better due to the change in party. Once you choose something then you will have to live with the consequences. And in some sales, the sales pitch and product look good now but the after-sales service doesn&#8217;t work out well, and the product starts to crumble (can go both ways, opposition &amp; ruling party).</p>
<p>As for others who are just venting, well, have fun in your monologues. If you are unable to participate meaningfully in this discussion, I do not have to engage you (as I have said to someone else before).</p>
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		<title>By: Simplicity</title>
		<link>http://www.p65.sg/2009/12/singaporeans-and-apathy/comment-page-1/#comment-1217</link>
		<dc:creator>Simplicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khartini

Do you keep sticking to the same salesman who cheats your money and are rude to you?  If you then turn to another salesman who you think is worth a try, is that blind faith and care less attitude?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khartini</p>
<p>Do you keep sticking to the same salesman who cheats your money and are rude to you?  If you then turn to another salesman who you think is worth a try, is that blind faith and care less attitude?</p>
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